I didn't mean that they're old, I meant it in the sense of "a period of origin or manufacture", i.e. second gen Dodges.waytogo
ONe question if Ford and gm make such good diesels why does dodge hold the majority of the diesel market year in and year out???
Where did you get your stats? I have no idea if that is accurate or not. Could be like Fords "we sell the most trucks" but it is in large part due to the way the "count" and the HUGE Ford fleet incentives. I know GM hasn't had a decent diesel until recently, and it also has the most expensive diesel option, so that has an effect. Dodge has the cheapest diesel LD truck, and the Cummins is a good selling point, so it may be true, I have no idea. But even if it is true, it would in no way imply that they are "best", it only says they sell the most in that category... Ford Taurus supposedly has most of the segment wrapped up, would you say it's the "best" mid/full size car out there? Or do you think maybe the BMW 7 series or Cadilac, other competitors might actually build a better car, even if they don't sell as many?
The main thing that the Dodge has going for it is it's history in the diesel market, which is much longer and more illustrious than Ford or GMs, and it has the legions of Cummins faithful. That's the thing though, it's not the Dodge, it's the Cummins. If Dodge dropped the Cummins and someone else picked it up, the name alone would draw the legions along with it. Without the Cummins the Dodge is just another truck with a tiny backseat. Saying it's the best because it sells the most is like saying Wal-Mart is the best store because it has the highest sales numbers of all stores.
comparing a taurus to a bmw or caddy is like comparing apples and oranges. i doubt owners of those cars even appear in the same tax bracket but thats another post. I guess i get my ideas on the market holdings of the big three just from what i gather during everyday driving. I recently went on 7000 mile excursion and it seemed that for every 5 dodge diesels i saw i only saw maybe 3 fords or chevys
I agree with that SHaggy. I told by dad a few weeks ago that when i get ready to buy a new diesel i buy from whoever puts the cummins in their truck i dont care if its nissan....ok maybe wouldnt go that far.
Sure, the BMW thing was a stretch, but it makes the point very clear that "most" is not the same as "best". Same as with Shaggy and the "Walmart" point. And basing your assertion on what you notice on the road is not very solid ground. If it's a guesstimate or opinion, it's usually a good idea to say so rather than stating something as if it were a fact, particularly when you make it as sweeping as "year in and year out"...
Looks like Dodge is actually dead last for the last 3 years... SEMA got this data from Wards Auto. Here are the 2004 Diesel pickup production #'s: Dodge - 87,342 GM - 114,641 Ford - 171,039 Here are the 2003 Diesel pickup production #'s: Dodge - 112,617 (HO and non-HO) GM - 147,860 Ford - 167,667 (6.0 and 7.3) Here are the 2002 Diesel pickup production #'s: Dodge - 70,979 GM - 74,395 Ford - 241,286
I believe those numbers.....it's nice seeing a Cummins Dodge go by between Ford after Ford after Ford after Ford after Ford.......SD's have gotten boring to me because everyone and their dog has one.
Yep, they are really common around here for sure. That was one of the pluses in the GMC column when I was making my decision.:doah:
If I was going to buy an SD I would at least try and make it stand out. Maybe a set of those new Weld Torque locks that I haven't seen yet and maybe even 5" stacks, I haven't seen any Fords with stacks. Just SOMETHING to make it stand out from every white SD that goes by equipped with a leveling kit and some cheap knock off Welds and BFG's.
